can t write workgroup shares vista b2 machine

I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

I also occasionally get this message on my server share - I can't understand it either. However I went through the properties of the server share on my server, and made sure that specific users on my Vista machine had access (read and write) and the guest (test account) had only read permissions - after that it was fixed.
But a bug wouldn't go a miss :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "mschatzleinmd" wrote in message

I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Is it necessary to grant some sort of permission on the Vista "server" to specific users of the other machines? On XP workgroups, "Everyone" applies to everyone on the network.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

I also occasionally get this message on my server share - I can't understand it either. However I went through the properties of the server share on my server, and made sure that specific users on my Vista machine had access (read and write) and the guest (test account) had only read permissions - after that it was fixed.
But a bug wouldn't go a miss :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize > Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" > ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message

I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

I created a share on the vista machine that gives full permisson to everyone. I can't access this share on the XP machine without providing credentials. They are both in the same network too. Either machine can't see the other when I go to veiw workgroup computer. I also turned off "Use Sharing Wizard" Something is not right here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

I created a share on the vista machine that gives full permisson to everyone. I can't access this share on the XP machine without providing credentials. They are both in the same network too. Either machine can't see the other when I go to veiw workgroup computer. I also turned off "Use Sharing Wizard" Something is not right here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

turning off simple file sharing didn't work for me either. went into safe mode and fussed with permissions and ownership and basically loosened everything up. the remaining problem for me is that the xp machines can't write to the shares on the vista machine.
"anthonymel" wrote:

I created a share on the vista machine that gives full permisson to everyone. I can't access this share on the XP machine without providing credentials. They are both in the same network too. Either machine can't see the other when I go to veiw workgroup computer. I also turned off "Use Sharing Wizard" Something is not right here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Maybe its UAP, try disabling and see if it helps. Click Start > All Programs

Accessories > Run > type in MSCONFIG > OK > Tools (tab) > scroll down select "Disable UAP" > click "Launch" > close "Command Prompt" > restart

system for changes to take effect.
If that does not help, Open Control Panel (set to "Class View") > open Windows Firewall > Exceptions tab > check "Network Discovery" > OK, try accessing the share again from XP.
Also remember disable Simple File Sharing on the XP machine, maybe that was causing the blockage. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"anthonymel" wrote in message

I created a share on the vista machine that gives full permisson to everyone. I can't access this share on the XP machine without providing credentials. They are both in the same network too. Either machine can't see the other when I go to veiw workgroup computer. I also turned off "Use Sharing Wizard" Something is not right here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)"
ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Ok here's what I did for the folder sharing problem. It used to be in XP that if you set permissions to Everyone they could access that share without setting any security for that folder. Apprently Vista does not work this way. Not only do you have to set the permissions for Everyone you also got to set the security for Everyone. I set both permissions and security to read access and I was able to access the share from my XP Machine with no problems or security warnings.
I also noticed that if you are working on a wireless network Vista like to recreate the network again. So make sure you don't have dups of your network going on with different settings.
As for the network discovery I'll give you suggestions a try.
Here's another problem if someone else can check out. Create a share and give administrators group full permission and full security. Then try to access that drive from an XP machine using a username from the adminstrators group other than the local administrator. I keep getting access denied errors.
Thanks
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Maybe its UAP, try disabling and see if it helps. Click Start > All Programs Accessories > Run > type in MSCONFIG > OK > Tools (tab) > scroll down select "Disable UAP" > click "Launch" > close "Command Prompt" > restart system for changes to take effect.
If that does not help, Open Control Panel (set to "Class View") > open Windows Firewall > Exceptions tab > check "Network Discovery" > OK, try accessing the share again from XP.
Also remember disable Simple File Sharing on the XP machine, maybe that was causing the blockage. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"anthonymel" wrote in message I created a share on the vista machine that gives full permisson to everyone. I can't access this share on the XP machine without providing credentials. They are both in the same network too. Either machine can't see the other when I go to veiw workgroup computer. I also turned off "Use Sharing Wizard" Something is not right here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)"
ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Won't help - if the permissions are still the same on the network share, changing a layout of what to share won't actually change the permissions - so essentially you're just trying to add a files to a still broken network share.
Try turning off UAC - might help? http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?subcats/security/disableuap
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Uh, er, having trouble figuring out the difference between permissions and security in Vista. Wonder if Andre would mind a giving a quick step-by-step. Turning of UAC doesn't help for me, but it's the first thing I do with a new Vista beta. The warnings given even to an administrator drive me nuts <vbg>.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

Won't help - if the permissions are still the same on the network share, changing a layout of what to share won't actually change the permissions - so essentially you're just trying to add a files to a still broken network share.
Try turning off UAC - might help? http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?subcats/security/disableuap
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Well, Permissions is an aspect of Security in Windows Vista even Windows XP.
Try this, right click the folder you want to share > click Properties > Sharing (tab) > Advanced Sharing > "Yes, share this folder" click "Permissions" > under "Permissions for Everyone > check Allow "Full Control"

OK > OK

See if you can access and write to the Share now. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message

Uh, er, having trouble figuring out the difference between permissions and security in Vista. Wonder if Andre would mind a giving a quick step-by-step. Turning of UAC doesn't help for me, but it's the first thing I do with a new Vista beta. The warnings given even to an administrator drive me nuts vbg>.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
Won't help - if the permissions are still the same on the network share, changing a layout of what to share won't actually change the permissions - so essentially you're just trying to add a files to a still broken network share.
Try turning off UAC - might help? http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?subcats/security/disableuap
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Turn off simple file sharing. Open an Explorer window, click Organize Folder Options > View (tab) > uncheck "Use Sharing Wizard (Recommended)" ok.
HTHs -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Unfortunately sharing to "Everyone" is broken in Beta 2. Regardless of the permissions you specify, guests and users without passwords will not be able to write to folders shared over the network. There are two bugs in beta 2 that prevent this from working correctly.
BUG 1: There is a bug that limits users without passwords to readonly access over the network. I think this is the main source of your problems. One side effect of this is printing to a printer on your vista computer over the network is broken. Workaround: In an ELEVATED command window type "Net localgroup users guest /add". (To get an elevated command window, Start > All Programs > Accessories. Right click on "Command Prompt" and select "Run as administrator".)
BUG 2: There is another bug that prevents users without passwords from accessing files shared under c:\users. Workaround: Right-click on the users folder, properties, sharing, Advanced Sharing, Permissions, Add, type "Everyone", enter, change permissions to full control. (Note: Don't do this if your computer is on an untrusted network)
Both of these bugs will be fixed post beta2.
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message

I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

For bug 2's workaround, do I have to share the "Users folder" specifically or can I share a particular folder under the the Users folder? Thanks for the notification. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Sweeney [MS]" wrote in message

Unfortunately sharing to "Everyone" is broken in Beta 2. Regardless of the permissions you specify, guests and users without passwords will not be able to write to folders shared over the network. There are two bugs in beta 2 that prevent this from working correctly.
BUG 1: There is a bug that limits users without passwords to readonly access over the network. I think this is the main source of your problems. One side effect of this is printing to a printer on your vista computer over the network is broken. Workaround: In an ELEVATED command window type "Net localgroup users guest /add". (To get an elevated command window, Start > All Programs Accessories. Right click on "Command Prompt" and select "Run as administrator".)
BUG 2: There is another bug that prevents users without passwords from accessing files shared under c:\users. Workaround: Right-click on the users folder, properties, sharing, Advanced Sharing, Permissions, Add, type "Everyone", enter, change permissions to full control. (Note: Don't do this if your computer is on an untrusted network)
Both of these bugs will be fixed post beta2.
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Thanks to Robert Sweeney. The workarounds work.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

For bug 2's workaround, do I have to share the "Users folder" specifically or can I share a particular folder under the the Users folder? Thanks for the notification. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Sweeney [MS]" wrote in message Unfortunately sharing to "Everyone" is broken in Beta 2. Regardless of the permissions you specify, guests and users without passwords will not be able to write to folders shared over the network. There are two bugs in beta 2 that prevent this from working correctly.
BUG 1: There is a bug that limits users without passwords to readonly access over the network. I think this is the main source of your problems. One side effect of this is printing to a printer on your vista computer over the network is broken. Workaround: In an ELEVATED command window type "Net localgroup users guest /add". (To get an elevated command window, Start > All Programs Accessories. Right click on "Command Prompt" and select "Run as administrator".)
BUG 2: There is another bug that prevents users without passwords from accessing files shared under c:\users. Workaround: Right-click on the users folder, properties, sharing, Advanced Sharing, Permissions, Add, type "Everyone", enter, change permissions to full control. (Note: Don't do this if your computer is on an untrusted network)
Both of these bugs will be fixed post beta2.
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Dear Mr. Sweeney,
Thanks so much for clarifying these two bugs, and for letting us know they'll be fixed in future releases. That's why they call this process Beta...
The functionality required by the users on this thread are critical, simple and essential to why we use Windows, and why we look forward to Microsoft's definitive correction of the "ReadOnly" problem on basic network shared directories.
I'll try your workaround tomorrow morning PST: My secretary using Windows XP Professional needs to edit some of my MS Word drafts, these now stored in a shared directory on my Windows Vista machine. Simple procedure; we think Microsoft can help us...
Is there a Beta 3 due to come out, or will a KB or Windows Update fix the two issues you've identified?
Regards!
"Robert Sweeney [MS]" wrote:

Unfortunately sharing to "Everyone" is broken in Beta 2. Regardless of the permissions you specify, guests and users without passwords will not be able to write to folders shared over the network. There are two bugs in beta 2 that prevent this from working correctly.
BUG 1: There is a bug that limits users without passwords to readonly access over the network. I think this is the main source of your problems. One side effect of this is printing to a printer on your vista computer over the network is broken. Workaround: In an ELEVATED command window type "Net localgroup users guest /add". (To get an elevated command window, Start > All Programs Accessories. Right click on "Command Prompt" and select "Run as administrator".)
BUG 2: There is another bug that prevents users without passwords from accessing files shared under c:\users. Workaround: Right-click on the users folder, properties, sharing, Advanced Sharing, Permissions, Add, type "Everyone", enter, change permissions to full control. (Note: Don't do this if your computer is on an untrusted network)
Both of these bugs will be fixed post beta2.
"mschatzleinmd" wrote in message I put Vista beta 2 on one of the five machines in my workgroup (wired network, static IP addresses). The other machines can see and read the shared drives, but not write to them ("Access is denied"). Assuming this was a permissions issue, I gave "Everyone" full control on the drives, but still no joy. Suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.